Who's next? This is Wayne in eastern Virginia. Hi, Wayne. It's nice to have you with us on the EIB Network.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you today?
RUSH: Good, sir. Thank you.
CALLER: Sorry I missed your blue funk, but I may add to it a little bit. The Blue Ridge Mountains stretch all the way from Maine to Georgia.
RUSH: Yup.
CALLER: They get their name, the Blue Ridge Mountains, because -- I'm a Ph.D. chemist -- and pine trees exude a compound called "pinene" that is all carbon and hydrogen.
RUSH: Wait. How do you spell that, pinene?
CALLER: P-i-n-e-n-e.
RUSH: Pinene, and it's all carbon and all hydrogen?
CALLER: Yes. It's also got a double bond which makes it reactive.
RUSH: So what's the point? We gotta cut down pine trees?
CALLER: That's right. The point is, every pine tree in the country should be cut down to reduce the carbon we put into the atmosphere.
RUSH: But then what would happen to the Blue Ridge range?
CALLER: It would disappear. You'd cut down all the pine trees.
RUSH: Well, we can't cut down trees. The environmentalists won't let us cut down trees, but they'll burn the next time a fire breaks out.
CALLER: (laughing) I know that. But they're just being so idiotic about the whole thing.
RUSH: So you are not a member of the "consensus" of scientists who believes in this man-made global warming hoax?
CALLER: No, I believe that there may be some climatic change going on, but I don't believe it's global warming, and I don't believe that we have enough data to predict what's going to happen in the next 50 years.
RUSH: Of course not. That's why they say 50 years, instead of next year. Because 50 years, "Oh, we can't afford to wait! We've got time to fix it: raise taxes, roll back your lifestyles, make some sacrifices, vote Democrat, and go socialist."
CALLER: That's right. I've done enough modeling, computer modeling to know that I can tweak the parameters on the model and make it say anything I want to.
RUSH: Well, of course. Exactly. The models do not factor in all the relevant data anyway, such as precipitation, because we can't even measure every drop of precipitation that happens on the planet every day. We simply don't have the ability. We don't have the systems. We don't have the equipment, and when you leave precipitation out of these models, it renders them worthless. You know, you, as someone who doesn't believe in the man-made aspect of the warming that is going on -- according to Algore, you, Wayne -- are an "outlier."
CALLER: Yes, I know. In scientific data, I would be called an outlier in statistics and just chopped off at the ankles.
RUSH: Now, you know, but I want to make sure everybody else knows. Outlier is spelled o-u-t-l-i-e-r, and it's not that you're lying. It means that you are on the fringes.
CALLER: That's right.
RUSH: You're way outside the "mainstream of accepted science" on this bogus hoax.
CALLER: That's right -- and in science, outliers are ignored.
RUSH: In fact, they are totally ignored.
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: That's why they're called outliers. All right, thanks, Wayne. I appreciate that. Well, so what? We're going to have to cut down every pine tree to eliminate... Well, that's sacrifice. Sacrifice. Bye-bye Christmas trees! Cut down all the pine trees. A Christmas tree is a relative of the pine tree. By the way, the Brits, some stupid government agency in the UK has warned Santa Claus to lose weight because he's setting a bad example for British kids. I kid you not. I have that and more coming up on the program in the stacks of stuff.
Pine trees causing global warming?
I don't like pine trees either there are a lot of them in north Florida ant the make sticky stuff all over your car, what you mean that is the Jolly Green giant making the Sticky stuff.
Reply:This is not even a question.
I care about a chemist's opinion about global warming only slightly more than I care about Rush Limbaugh's opinion. Based on this transcript, both are completely oblivious to the science behind global warming. Assuming that this caller is even really a chemist, which I doubt.
Reply:more silly BS from Rush. It is obvious that this was just another one of his stunts rather than an actual caller, considering the fact that anyone with half a brain realizes that just because something is bound up in an organism contains carbon and hydrogen, doesn't mean it is affecting our atmosphere, or mean that it creates excess CO2.
This is more of Rush's "amateur" geologist stuff that he claimed when he was filling the airwaves with misinformation about Mars.
The stuff is liquid at 20 degrees C with a boiling point of 155 degrees C. any intelligent chemist would realize that this stuff isn't getting into our atmosphere in any significant amount other than a few pine trees blasted off the top of Volcanoes.
This stupidity is like saying Diamonds are bad for the environment because they are mostly Carbon.
Reply:Don't know your exact point, but if you're trying to deny global warming, your about three years behind the times. It's proven, its happening, and if you have children, you MIGHT want to care about it rather than btching and moaning and saying its some conspiracy. Even the big oil companies are trying to find ways to reduce fossil fuel use. The debate is over.
Reply:No, they don't. They sequester more carbon than they release (unless burned, then all of their carbon is released.
Reducing carbon emissions (to curb, halt or reverse global warming induced by the green house effect) is all about reducing the man made emissions that have tipped the atmospheric balance, not the natural ones. The natural emissions were there before the industrial revolution. That is the baseline below which we need not worry, so it is acceptable that they remain.
True, reducing natural emissions would be like an offset for allowing man made emissions to remain for a time. But just about everyone thinks its better to work on the man-made emissions. Certainly no one is advocating cutting down forest to combat global warming, except for the phantom liberals in the minds of Rush listeners.
Reply:The only thing Limbaugh is an expert in, and can offer any relevant tips on, is how to get your dirty hands on lots and lots of Oxycontin prescriptions. .
Reply:Lets get rid of Christmas and call it simply a day of giving to friends and family something that should happen all year long anyhow .
Why invent a story to tell kids in the first place you have to explain latter was just that a story .
People then talk about santa for the rest of their lives .
Its how they get people to talk about Jesus which they then do the rest of their lives .
Only as you get older you find out no Santa No Jesus just people making money off the stories .
Reply:Thanks for the read, I love Rush. Good point. Lets avoid the Christmas rush (christian holliday by the way) and cut all the pine trees down now.
irene
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Dark wood or pine?!?
I am in the process of decorating my living room. I will varnishing my floor boards light oak, I have a pine door, a large pine mirror and pine picture frames. The walls are magnolia and the skirting will be white. I also have a large beam across the centre ceiling which I will be painting either light or dark brown.
I havent brought any furniture yet but I have seen something I like. I have two alcoves either side of my fire place. Would Dark Brown sideboards look alright considering I already have quite a bit of pine or would it be safer just to stick to pine side boards??
Dark wood or pine?!?
You need contrast, so I would think the darker ones would look better. Why don't you build or buy bookshelves to go inside the alcoves? I always think books on each side of a fireplace looks very attractive. Plus, you can put other objects on the shelves, besides books--artwork, shells, pictures, baskets, etc. Arranged neatly, I think that would look great, and all the book spines add a nice splash of color.
Reply:Too much matchy matchy is boring; you should add some dark wood for contrast or you could use painted wood if you like that look.
Reply:Dard wood would look better. Adding more pine to your room would make it look too much of one thing. Definately dark wood.
Reply:No! Pine sideboards would be too much! go for Dark Wood it will set the room off nicely!
Reply:I suggest sticking with pine. It will make your room flow better.
Reply:pine or white
Reply:my sister always thinks you should stick to one wood, i think it looks to much and kinda 'overstyled' .. i have a mixture of wood, and i think it looks better, they all compliment each other, .... go with what you like, and if it is quality it will look good anywhere xxx
I havent brought any furniture yet but I have seen something I like. I have two alcoves either side of my fire place. Would Dark Brown sideboards look alright considering I already have quite a bit of pine or would it be safer just to stick to pine side boards??
Dark wood or pine?!?
You need contrast, so I would think the darker ones would look better. Why don't you build or buy bookshelves to go inside the alcoves? I always think books on each side of a fireplace looks very attractive. Plus, you can put other objects on the shelves, besides books--artwork, shells, pictures, baskets, etc. Arranged neatly, I think that would look great, and all the book spines add a nice splash of color.
Reply:Too much matchy matchy is boring; you should add some dark wood for contrast or you could use painted wood if you like that look.
Reply:Dard wood would look better. Adding more pine to your room would make it look too much of one thing. Definately dark wood.
Reply:No! Pine sideboards would be too much! go for Dark Wood it will set the room off nicely!
Reply:I suggest sticking with pine. It will make your room flow better.
Reply:pine or white
Reply:my sister always thinks you should stick to one wood, i think it looks to much and kinda 'overstyled' .. i have a mixture of wood, and i think it looks better, they all compliment each other, .... go with what you like, and if it is quality it will look good anywhere xxx
Pine needle bed for survival in hunting?
My father never took me hunting so I don't know what works and what doesn't. I am trying to get my hunting survival kit down to manageble size. Everyone rolls their eyes when I mention I carry a tent and sleeping bag. I am told to carry a tarp and five heavy duty extra large garbage bags. Where I would hunt is all pine tree forest with a lot of pine needles on the forest floor. I am told to pack the garbage bags with pine needles, and sleep under them. Does this actually work, or will I die of hypothermia?
Pine needle bed for survival in hunting?
carry 'space blankets' but more importantly carry multiple effective ways to start a fire.
Carry waterproof matches, a lighter, and one of those magnesium sticks (or a road flare!). In addition, get a small container (like a film canister) and get some cotton balls, dip them in vassiline and put them in the container. They light really easy. A travel pack of kleenex is good for many things, TP and fire are two.
PRACTICE MAKING A FIRE IN THE WIND.
Next, get a whistle and a very small mirror for signaling, and a GPS unit, then go learn how to use it so you don't get lost.
add some food to the pack. Drink tainted water to your heart's content if you are lost. Stay hydrated. Worry about the illnesses you might catch later when you will be back in civilizaiton and have plenty of medical care. (although boiling it if possible would be good, and for that purpose a metal canteen is useful)
Yes, pine needles and or leaves make decent insulation. no need for the garbage bags, just make a big pile of them and crawl in and cover yourself as best you can. Shove them between your shirt and jacket to ehance insulation.
Don't go overboard on your suvival kit. Fire making = 1lb max, space blanket, whistle, mirror, = 0.5 lb max, food 2 lbs max.
Don't put all your fire sources or survival gear in one spot. Hang whistle around neck with matches. Stick one space blanket, lighter, and kleenex in jeans pocket. Put food, another space blanket, tinder, firestarter, mirror, in fanny pack or something.
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Reply:It may work but will not be all that comfortable. What you need is two blankets. Army surplus wool blankets are as good as it gets. To make a pine bough bed, cut fresh pine boughs and pile them up to form a bed. Lay one blanket on the pine boughs and use the other to cover with. When in transport, the blankets can be rolled together and tied across your shoulders with a length of rope. For an emergency shelter, carry a piece of Visqueen (polyethylene sheet such as a painter's drop cloth. It comes folded up into a neat bundle and will open out into a pretty big piece of plastic sheet. Carry some binding twine to use to make your plastic sheeting into a tent-like shelter. Just run some string from one tree to another and drape the plastic sheet over it to make a quick tent. Pull the sides out to give you room to make your pine bough bed inside the tent. Put rocks, logs or what ever you have to hold the edges of the sheet out. Do not sleep directly on the plastic nor cover with it because it is impermiable and will allow the moisture from your body to condense and make you wet and miserable. I don't like Space Blankets for this reason. I tried sleeping with one over my blankets one time and it made my blankets wet. Wool blankets will give you the best warmth for the weight even if they get wet in a rain.
If weight becomes an issue,as it usually does, you can get by with only one blanket but you will have to put some pine boughs on top of your blanket to help keep you warm if it is very cold out.
Reply:actuslly, don't pack them in the bags. Heap up the pine needles as thick as possible, 3" is not too much. Then burrow down into them and the loft (airspaces in between the needels) will act as insulation. The needles would just tear thru the trash bags. A better way is to build up at least a foot of pine needles. Then lay out a space blanket. Now lay ontoehr one on top if that. Then pile another 2" or so of pine needles on top of that and slide in between the two space blankets. If you have a tarp, rig a shelter, place pine needles in the back to sleep on, build a reflector in fron of the shelter, start a fire and stay snug and warm. There are lot's of options. I encourage you to get some books on survival and read them to see what does and does not work.
Reply:Well
You have been given very good suggestions. Just wondering? What type of weather do you encounter during your hunting season? Makes a difference. Rain vs snow and ice-sleet.
I’m going to suggest you put your kit together way before hunting season. Start doing some hiking and backpacking. With overnights planned in terrain that somewhat mirrors your hunting areas. Learn what works best for your locale. Especially during less than ideal weather.
I do a lot of hunting-also backpacking-camping in wilderness areas. Staying out for up to two weeks.
Don’t consider myself an expert on the subject. Experience has taught me to keep it simple.
A good yet inexpensive tarp will make a very good lean to shelter. Another on the ground to keep you dry. Orange-red is good. Easy for others to spot you should the need arise. They are lightweight.
Since your concerned about survival-again keep it simple. Concentrate on the basics
Shelter 1st. Water 2nd. Food 3d.
Your overnight trips will soon teach you what works best for you in your locale. Then equip accordingly.
Pine needle bed for survival in hunting?
carry 'space blankets' but more importantly carry multiple effective ways to start a fire.
Carry waterproof matches, a lighter, and one of those magnesium sticks (or a road flare!). In addition, get a small container (like a film canister) and get some cotton balls, dip them in vassiline and put them in the container. They light really easy. A travel pack of kleenex is good for many things, TP and fire are two.
PRACTICE MAKING A FIRE IN THE WIND.
Next, get a whistle and a very small mirror for signaling, and a GPS unit, then go learn how to use it so you don't get lost.
add some food to the pack. Drink tainted water to your heart's content if you are lost. Stay hydrated. Worry about the illnesses you might catch later when you will be back in civilizaiton and have plenty of medical care. (although boiling it if possible would be good, and for that purpose a metal canteen is useful)
Yes, pine needles and or leaves make decent insulation. no need for the garbage bags, just make a big pile of them and crawl in and cover yourself as best you can. Shove them between your shirt and jacket to ehance insulation.
Don't go overboard on your suvival kit. Fire making = 1lb max, space blanket, whistle, mirror, = 0.5 lb max, food 2 lbs max.
Don't put all your fire sources or survival gear in one spot. Hang whistle around neck with matches. Stick one space blanket, lighter, and kleenex in jeans pocket. Put food, another space blanket, tinder, firestarter, mirror, in fanny pack or something.
http://www.campingsurvival.com/stfist.ht...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/magfirsta...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/stmah73x3...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/mafisetfr...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/sternogel...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/firsticpa...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/sulifist....
http://www.campingsurvival.com/mayadustt...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/brstwisel...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/sumatu2x....
http://www.campingsurvival.com/oldrabpla...
Reply:It may work but will not be all that comfortable. What you need is two blankets. Army surplus wool blankets are as good as it gets. To make a pine bough bed, cut fresh pine boughs and pile them up to form a bed. Lay one blanket on the pine boughs and use the other to cover with. When in transport, the blankets can be rolled together and tied across your shoulders with a length of rope. For an emergency shelter, carry a piece of Visqueen (polyethylene sheet such as a painter's drop cloth. It comes folded up into a neat bundle and will open out into a pretty big piece of plastic sheet. Carry some binding twine to use to make your plastic sheeting into a tent-like shelter. Just run some string from one tree to another and drape the plastic sheet over it to make a quick tent. Pull the sides out to give you room to make your pine bough bed inside the tent. Put rocks, logs or what ever you have to hold the edges of the sheet out. Do not sleep directly on the plastic nor cover with it because it is impermiable and will allow the moisture from your body to condense and make you wet and miserable. I don't like Space Blankets for this reason. I tried sleeping with one over my blankets one time and it made my blankets wet. Wool blankets will give you the best warmth for the weight even if they get wet in a rain.
If weight becomes an issue,as it usually does, you can get by with only one blanket but you will have to put some pine boughs on top of your blanket to help keep you warm if it is very cold out.
Reply:actuslly, don't pack them in the bags. Heap up the pine needles as thick as possible, 3" is not too much. Then burrow down into them and the loft (airspaces in between the needels) will act as insulation. The needles would just tear thru the trash bags. A better way is to build up at least a foot of pine needles. Then lay out a space blanket. Now lay ontoehr one on top if that. Then pile another 2" or so of pine needles on top of that and slide in between the two space blankets. If you have a tarp, rig a shelter, place pine needles in the back to sleep on, build a reflector in fron of the shelter, start a fire and stay snug and warm. There are lot's of options. I encourage you to get some books on survival and read them to see what does and does not work.
Reply:Well
You have been given very good suggestions. Just wondering? What type of weather do you encounter during your hunting season? Makes a difference. Rain vs snow and ice-sleet.
I’m going to suggest you put your kit together way before hunting season. Start doing some hiking and backpacking. With overnights planned in terrain that somewhat mirrors your hunting areas. Learn what works best for your locale. Especially during less than ideal weather.
I do a lot of hunting-also backpacking-camping in wilderness areas. Staying out for up to two weeks.
Don’t consider myself an expert on the subject. Experience has taught me to keep it simple.
A good yet inexpensive tarp will make a very good lean to shelter. Another on the ground to keep you dry. Orange-red is good. Easy for others to spot you should the need arise. They are lightweight.
Since your concerned about survival-again keep it simple. Concentrate on the basics
Shelter 1st. Water 2nd. Food 3d.
Your overnight trips will soon teach you what works best for you in your locale. Then equip accordingly.
Pine needle basket has word on it I cant seem to get a handle on?
we have a vintage pine needle basket there is tape on the back the writiting is old we can make out the pine needle part but there is a word we cant seem to recognize.. I am thinking this is a native american pine basket and the word we can't seem to make out looks like "Aeretas" anyone have a clue 10 fast points to who does .. Thanks in advance it will be very helpful if someone can answer this
Pine needle basket has word on it I cant seem to get a handle on?
First of all , what kind of tape, Cloth???. Secondly, could it be the name of the maker, like their Indian name? I'm not relly sure, just a couple of SWAG guesses.
Pine needle basket has word on it I cant seem to get a handle on?
First of all , what kind of tape, Cloth???. Secondly, could it be the name of the maker, like their Indian name? I'm not relly sure, just a couple of SWAG guesses.
Pine tree problems?
I have a pine tree in my garden thats approx 30 years old, could be more, its about 40 ft tall. Ive lived in my property 10 years, and there has always been some browning of the pine needles. This year however, much more of the tree has turned brown, its losing needles far more than ever before, and there is sap running down the trunk of the tree that looks almost blue in colour, and there is lots of it. There is still some green, and there are pine cones on it, but ive never seen it as bad as this before. Does anyone have any ideas what could be causing this?
Pine tree problems?
Less expensive to cut a sample %26amp; take it to a real garden center. Not a hardware store or wal-mart where they don't have very educated or experienced employees.
It could be mites or borers or root feeding insects, let the experts see %26amp; advise you.
Reply:It could be a variety of issues. Bugs, lack of water, contaminates in the water, etc.
There are many possibilities, and much guessing that could be done on our/your part. If you really want the tree to survive, and are willing to part with some $$$ to get it done, have someone come out and inspect it. Maybe a specialist from the local herbitology department of your local college or plant nursery can give some better ideas.
Reply:Abrupt changes in conditions may cause problems, such as: more or less watering, disturbance to roots, severe pruning. Long term changes (affects of smog, drought, fertilizer reactions, pests) are also possible.
If your tree is valuable to you (sounds like it is) consult a registered arborist who lives in your area.
Reply:Get a tree surgeon in to look at it, given the high winds in UK recently, you don't want it giving up the ghost and falling through your roof!
Reply:Could be bugs. Bark beetles.
Or maybe just a lack of water.
Wisdom Teeth
Pine tree problems?
Less expensive to cut a sample %26amp; take it to a real garden center. Not a hardware store or wal-mart where they don't have very educated or experienced employees.
It could be mites or borers or root feeding insects, let the experts see %26amp; advise you.
Reply:It could be a variety of issues. Bugs, lack of water, contaminates in the water, etc.
There are many possibilities, and much guessing that could be done on our/your part. If you really want the tree to survive, and are willing to part with some $$$ to get it done, have someone come out and inspect it. Maybe a specialist from the local herbitology department of your local college or plant nursery can give some better ideas.
Reply:Abrupt changes in conditions may cause problems, such as: more or less watering, disturbance to roots, severe pruning. Long term changes (affects of smog, drought, fertilizer reactions, pests) are also possible.
If your tree is valuable to you (sounds like it is) consult a registered arborist who lives in your area.
Reply:Get a tree surgeon in to look at it, given the high winds in UK recently, you don't want it giving up the ghost and falling through your roof!
Reply:Could be bugs. Bark beetles.
Or maybe just a lack of water.
Wisdom Teeth
Are pine wood bunk beds a bad idea for kids?
my mom and I are thinking of going in halves on a set of pine wood bunkbeds with underbed drawers. Here is a pic of item. http://cgi.ebay.com/TWIN-TWIN-PINE-BUNK-... with shipping/tax/shipping insurance would be $442. When we were out shopping around locally to avoid shipping, one furniture place said he would price match if I brought in online info, but when I mentioned one online was pine he laughed and said pine was junk he only sold oak. His was $573( even with free delivery).. I know oak is better, but the cost of pine ones are already a huge stretch of our budget to get my grandkids these beds....is pine going to not be safe? The salesman made it sound like pine would just fall apart. So I didn't know if it was his way to try and sell his, or if pine was really shabby product.
Are pine wood bunk beds a bad idea for kids?
There is nothing WRONG with pine wood. It built a whole country from 1700 to now.
Properly designed, pine is a PERFECT wood for a kids room. True, it is a softwood, and it has a sometimes wild grain, but it is not going to be on display in the front living room.
Just make sure the particular product is well designed, and make sure it is SOLID wood, not a laminate, compressed board, partical board, future board, or anything else BUT SOLID wood.
. (I would be a bit concerned about "knockdown" furniture from China, the kind that comes as a kit and you have to put it together. This usually means partical board with applicae tape for grain imaging. Pure unaldulterated junk.
Reply:actualy the oak ones will fall apart faster, it is a hard wood and will crack, split, splinter faster, get some plans online or at a lumber store, build your own, it can be done for half of what your going to pay online or at a furniture store.
Reply:Pine is a softer wood, so will not be as durable.
Have you considered getting plans and building it yourself? It's not a complicated project.
Reply:pine is soft.. tho should be furniture grade, and fine if constructed well
Reply:My last single pine bed broke after I stepped onto it from the window ledge! When my boys are old enough to go in bunks I'm planning to buy a metal tubular set. - Another avenue to explore...
Reply:NO pine is not junk wood...It's softer than oak but my bed is pine and we even have a bunk bed made of pine and it's fine...Check the hardware and make sure you can tighten it is all....have a good Christmas!
Are pine wood bunk beds a bad idea for kids?
There is nothing WRONG with pine wood. It built a whole country from 1700 to now.
Properly designed, pine is a PERFECT wood for a kids room. True, it is a softwood, and it has a sometimes wild grain, but it is not going to be on display in the front living room.
Just make sure the particular product is well designed, and make sure it is SOLID wood, not a laminate, compressed board, partical board, future board, or anything else BUT SOLID wood.
. (I would be a bit concerned about "knockdown" furniture from China, the kind that comes as a kit and you have to put it together. This usually means partical board with applicae tape for grain imaging. Pure unaldulterated junk.
Reply:actualy the oak ones will fall apart faster, it is a hard wood and will crack, split, splinter faster, get some plans online or at a lumber store, build your own, it can be done for half of what your going to pay online or at a furniture store.
Reply:Pine is a softer wood, so will not be as durable.
Have you considered getting plans and building it yourself? It's not a complicated project.
Reply:pine is soft.. tho should be furniture grade, and fine if constructed well
Reply:My last single pine bed broke after I stepped onto it from the window ledge! When my boys are old enough to go in bunks I'm planning to buy a metal tubular set. - Another avenue to explore...
Reply:NO pine is not junk wood...It's softer than oak but my bed is pine and we even have a bunk bed made of pine and it's fine...Check the hardware and make sure you can tighten it is all....have a good Christmas!
Pine Shavings and Mice?
I keep hearing pine shavings are bad for mice because of chemicals. I used pine shavings once (before I knew any better) and they worked great. They absorbed everything kept the smell to a minimum. The mice were active and didn't seem in any way affected by them. It is so easy to use the pine shavings because we keep ducks and they live in them.
Has anybody used pine shavings with mice? What do you all think? Don't bother suggesting anything though, i know which types to buy. I just rather go in my garage and get the pine shavings than go to the store and spend the extra money if I don't have to.
Pine Shavings and Mice?
The dispute with Pine and Cedar is the Phenols. Some research has been interpreted to show that rats/mice kept on pine/cedar shavings absorb phenols through their body and it has detrimental effects on their kidney/liver function. Other people have looked at the same data and said that the levels weren't elevated enough to state that it was definitely the pine/cedar causing it, only that there was something slightly wrong with the kidney/liver stats.
I won't link any sites to either way, because I'm not sold either way currently on that issue. There are too many 'compelling' lists of data for both sides. Theres also alot of dispute in the reptile community on pine/cedar and snakes. Most people say its a bad idea.
HOWEVER. I personally don't keep small animals on any type of aromatic hardwood (pine/cedar). Rats and mice are both very small animals that both get Mycoplasma, a respiratory infection. Most rats and mice carry the bacteria and its a matter of husbandry to keep them from having an outbreak of it. That being said, inhaling the aromatics (pine/cedar) irritates the lining of the lungs and can make the rat/mouse more prone to myco flare ups. To me, the smell would be like filling your sink with pine-sol and just locking yourself in the bathroom with it. I wouldn't want to live with it. Its really just a judgement call on your part.
Reply:i have been breeding mice and rats for a few year and i have always used pine with them with no problems many littlers have been born though the years but if you mice are feeders never use CEDAR it can kill a snake
Reply:Do you mean pine shaving in there bed or litter tray? anyway.
Bed: yes fine
Litter tray: use normal mouse litter and put bi-carb soda over it it will keep the smell off for at least and extra 3 days.
Reply:Pine shavings are only ok if they are KILN DRIED. They are fine like that but otherwise dont. Many a mouse have died on just pine that isnt kiln dried.
Good luck! %26lt;3
Has anybody used pine shavings with mice? What do you all think? Don't bother suggesting anything though, i know which types to buy. I just rather go in my garage and get the pine shavings than go to the store and spend the extra money if I don't have to.
Pine Shavings and Mice?
The dispute with Pine and Cedar is the Phenols. Some research has been interpreted to show that rats/mice kept on pine/cedar shavings absorb phenols through their body and it has detrimental effects on their kidney/liver function. Other people have looked at the same data and said that the levels weren't elevated enough to state that it was definitely the pine/cedar causing it, only that there was something slightly wrong with the kidney/liver stats.
I won't link any sites to either way, because I'm not sold either way currently on that issue. There are too many 'compelling' lists of data for both sides. Theres also alot of dispute in the reptile community on pine/cedar and snakes. Most people say its a bad idea.
HOWEVER. I personally don't keep small animals on any type of aromatic hardwood (pine/cedar). Rats and mice are both very small animals that both get Mycoplasma, a respiratory infection. Most rats and mice carry the bacteria and its a matter of husbandry to keep them from having an outbreak of it. That being said, inhaling the aromatics (pine/cedar) irritates the lining of the lungs and can make the rat/mouse more prone to myco flare ups. To me, the smell would be like filling your sink with pine-sol and just locking yourself in the bathroom with it. I wouldn't want to live with it. Its really just a judgement call on your part.
Reply:i have been breeding mice and rats for a few year and i have always used pine with them with no problems many littlers have been born though the years but if you mice are feeders never use CEDAR it can kill a snake
Reply:Do you mean pine shaving in there bed or litter tray? anyway.
Bed: yes fine
Litter tray: use normal mouse litter and put bi-carb soda over it it will keep the smell off for at least and extra 3 days.
Reply:Pine shavings are only ok if they are KILN DRIED. They are fine like that but otherwise dont. Many a mouse have died on just pine that isnt kiln dried.
Good luck! %26lt;3
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